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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Lean&#8221; is not a good way to compete against China</title>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.sinofactory.net/blog/2008/12/lean-is-not-a-good-way-to-compete-against-china/comment-page-1/#comment-22</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 18:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jim,

Thanks for the comment.

Regardless of where the factory is located, the level of automation deployed should be commensurate with maximum value added.   Seems a no-brainer, but many people get this wrong.

Manual processes, WHEN APPROPRIATELY CONTROLLED with low-tech means (think fixtures and poke-yoke, can often add more value than high-tech robotics, which tend to incur high change-over costs and require luxuriantly large production runs.

People add value to a process when flexibility is valued.  Think about the process of driving a car. It is theoretically possible to automate driving using advanced robotics, but it&#039;s not worth it.  Even in places where human drivers command a high salary, they are consistently the most cost-effective way to go, because humans are really great at learning a range of tasks and skills (turning, braking, shifting, honking, flashing lights, etc.) and deploying them as needed, and in varying measure, in response to changing operating environment (speed limits, traffic conditions, weather conditions, darkness, drunk guy driving the wrong way,etc.).

As on the road, so it is on the production line that the deployment of low-tech can assist a human operator to do his or her job more effectively (in terms of cost, quality, safety, etc.) than deployment of high-tech automation alone could.  Think about rear view mirrors.  Think about proximity sensors, rear view cameras, GPS, speed inhibitors, etc. All of these help the driver, none will ever replace him.

Applying this to production, if the value proposition includes the ability to cost-effectively produce low-volumes and high product mix (a model which tends to reduce the costs of over production and associating inventory) then less automation using low-tech process controls is likely more desirable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jim,</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment.</p>
<p>Regardless of where the factory is located, the level of automation deployed should be commensurate with maximum value added.   Seems a no-brainer, but many people get this wrong.</p>
<p>Manual processes, WHEN APPROPRIATELY CONTROLLED with low-tech means (think fixtures and poke-yoke, can often add more value than high-tech robotics, which tend to incur high change-over costs and require luxuriantly large production runs.</p>
<p>People add value to a process when flexibility is valued.  Think about the process of driving a car. It is theoretically possible to automate driving using advanced robotics, but it&#8217;s not worth it.  Even in places where human drivers command a high salary, they are consistently the most cost-effective way to go, because humans are really great at learning a range of tasks and skills (turning, braking, shifting, honking, flashing lights, etc.) and deploying them as needed, and in varying measure, in response to changing operating environment (speed limits, traffic conditions, weather conditions, darkness, drunk guy driving the wrong way,etc.).</p>
<p>As on the road, so it is on the production line that the deployment of low-tech can assist a human operator to do his or her job more effectively (in terms of cost, quality, safety, etc.) than deployment of high-tech automation alone could.  Think about rear view mirrors.  Think about proximity sensors, rear view cameras, GPS, speed inhibitors, etc. All of these help the driver, none will ever replace him.</p>
<p>Applying this to production, if the value proposition includes the ability to cost-effectively produce low-volumes and high product mix (a model which tends to reduce the costs of over production and associating inventory) then less automation using low-tech process controls is likely more desirable.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim McLean</title>
		<link>http://www.sinofactory.net/blog/2008/12/lean-is-not-a-good-way-to-compete-against-china/comment-page-1/#comment-21</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim McLean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 16:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,

Great post and blog. I wonder how you feel about a hightech lean running factory in the US vs. a less automated factory in China. I have seen a lot of factories in China that depend on manual operations. For western factories (or anywhere else for that matter) who have automated their processes with robotics etc.. Where do they fit in your argument?

Jim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>Great post and blog. I wonder how you feel about a hightech lean running factory in the US vs. a less automated factory in China. I have seen a lot of factories in China that depend on manual operations. For western factories (or anywhere else for that matter) who have automated their processes with robotics etc.. Where do they fit in your argument?</p>
<p>Jim</p>
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		<title>By: Renaud</title>
		<link>http://www.sinofactory.net/blog/2008/12/lean-is-not-a-good-way-to-compete-against-china/comment-page-1/#comment-20</link>
		<dc:creator>Renaud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi David, the comment you left on that blog makes sense... But in fact what is the proportion of Chinese factories that have gone lean, or even &quot;half-way lean&quot;? I bet it&#039;s in the 1-2% range, if that.
Chinese bosses don&#039;t want to hear about any such profound change. Chinese production managers might show interest, but they don&#039;t know much about it (tell them to read about the successes of Japanese companies...). And Westerners setting up local factories probably feel discouraged by some aspects of Chinese mentality (and I understand them).
It seems like you (and probably a few others) have tried and succeeded. I&#039;m wondering if everybody in China will try to &quot;go lean&quot; within 5 years. I&#039;m a little pessimistic, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi David, the comment you left on that blog makes sense&#8230; But in fact what is the proportion of Chinese factories that have gone lean, or even &#8220;half-way lean&#8221;? I bet it&#8217;s in the 1-2% range, if that.<br />
Chinese bosses don&#8217;t want to hear about any such profound change. Chinese production managers might show interest, but they don&#8217;t know much about it (tell them to read about the successes of Japanese companies&#8230;). And Westerners setting up local factories probably feel discouraged by some aspects of Chinese mentality (and I understand them).<br />
It seems like you (and probably a few others) have tried and succeeded. I&#8217;m wondering if everybody in China will try to &#8220;go lean&#8221; within 5 years. I&#8217;m a little pessimistic, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Reich</title>
		<link>http://www.sinofactory.net/blog/2008/12/lean-is-not-a-good-way-to-compete-against-china/comment-page-1/#comment-19</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Reich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post Junkie, looks like those continuing to manufacture at home will have to use good &#039;ole creativity to be beat the competition...go Mets!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post Junkie, looks like those continuing to manufacture at home will have to use good &#8216;ole creativity to be beat the competition&#8230;go Mets!</p>
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